Coffee with Chandru Ep 1: How Vibe Coding is Changing the Game for Non-Tech Founders

[0:06] Hi Chandru. Hi. Hello sir. Hi. So um uh I have a few questions um about certain

[0:09] I have a few questions um about certain terms that are being used today. So uh

[0:12] terms that are being used today. So uh in in the environment and one of the

[0:14] in in the environment and one of the terms that um is being used widely is

[0:18] terms that um is being used widely is about wipe coding. So I want to

[0:21] about wipe coding. So I want to understand from you what exactly is wipe

[0:23] understand from you what exactly is wipe coding?

[0:24] coding? Yeah thanks for asking that. I think

[0:27] Yeah thanks for asking that. I think wipe coding is now the word of the year.

[0:30] wipe coding is now the word of the year. Uh almost every developer worldwide and

[0:34] Uh almost every developer worldwide and even a non developer or what we call as

[0:37] even a non developer or what we call as business people are adapting to w coding

[0:40] business people are adapting to w coding in a big way. Um w coding as a term was

[0:44] in a big way. Um w coding as a term was uh made famous by Andra Karpati one of

[0:48] uh made famous by Andra Karpati one of the leading artificial intelligence

[0:51] the leading artificial intelligence experts. um uh he had mentioned if I

[0:54] experts. um uh he had mentioned if I recall correctly in a uh tweet uh or on

[0:57] recall correctly in a uh tweet uh or on the x.com

[0:59] the x.com uh site and people rapidly took to that.

[1:03] uh site and people rapidly took to that. So in a very simple way it refers to

[1:06] So in a very simple way it refers to prompting the uh artificial intelligent

[1:10] prompting the uh artificial intelligent agent to develop apps uh website apps or

[1:15] agent to develop apps uh website apps or you know mobile apps or websites. Um and

[1:18] you know mobile apps or websites. Um and it has slowly evolved today to mean that

[1:21] it has slowly evolved today to mean that you can just chat in simple English and

[1:25] you can just chat in simple English and achieve more sophisticated

[1:27] achieve more sophisticated uh technical work. So let's say you want

[1:30] uh technical work. So let's say you want to develop a website. Um earlier we used

[1:34] to develop a website. Um earlier we used to you know sort of uh use lot of HTML,

[1:37] to you know sort of uh use lot of HTML, CSS and other types of coding

[1:39] CSS and other types of coding JavaScript.

[1:41] JavaScript. Now it is possible to uh do lot of this

[1:44] Now it is possible to uh do lot of this work by just inputting in like a chat

[1:46] work by just inputting in like a chat interface with you know u these various

[1:50] interface with you know u these various agents right as we go along I'll also

[1:52] agents right as we go along I'll also mention about some of these agents. Um

[1:55] mention about some of these agents. Um so that's sort of the background of what

[1:57] so that's sort of the background of what is wipe coding and how it originated.

[2:01] is wipe coding and how it originated. Okay. So very interesting but um I know

[2:05] Okay. So very interesting but um I know you're a founder who has been using w

[2:07] you're a founder who has been using w coding quite extensively. So is it as

[2:11] coding quite extensively. So is it as easy as it sounds

[2:14] easy as it sounds to do?

[2:16] to do? Okay. See as with any new technology um

[2:20] Okay. See as with any new technology um there is a you know right there are

[2:22] there is a you know right there are multiple stages for a technology to get

[2:25] multiple stages for a technology to get matured and uh we are seeing that with

[2:29] matured and uh we are seeing that with rapidly with artificial intelligence

[2:30] rapidly with artificial intelligence field and what you're raising is a very

[2:32] field and what you're raising is a very important question and actually turned

[2:34] important question and actually turned out to a big uh debate on many social

[2:37] out to a big uh debate on many social media channels as well and even between

[2:39] media channels as well and even between some of the top experts. Um now we I

[2:44] some of the top experts. Um now we I would say are probably at the very very

[2:46] would say are probably at the very very initial stages. So is it easy? Yes, it

[2:50] initial stages. So is it easy? Yes, it is quite easy. Uh is it tough? actually

[2:54] is quite easy. Uh is it tough? actually speaking ironically it is also tough at

[2:56] speaking ironically it is also tough at the same time and people are finding

[2:58] the same time and people are finding that out right and uh you know the what

[3:02] that out right and uh you know the what we call as the old god right I mean the

[3:04] we call as the old god right I mean the developers who spent many years they

[3:06] developers who spent many years they sort of uh are not uh what you can call

[3:09] sort of uh are not uh what you can call convinced that this can develop more

[3:11] convinced that this can develop more sophisticated apps let's say connect to

[3:13] sophisticated apps let's say connect to databases and come out with let's say

[3:15] databases and come out with let's say e-commerce sites and more sophisticated

[3:18] e-commerce sites and more sophisticated functionality

[3:19] functionality so the uh whole you know thing around

[3:23] so the uh whole you know thing around white coding has been that people have

[3:25] white coding has been that people have started trying these agents are also

[3:27] started trying these agents are also improving as we keep developing and it's

[3:30] improving as we keep developing and it's today possible to actually come up with

[3:32] today possible to actually come up with quite I would say very modern looking

[3:35] quite I would say very modern looking websites more uh I would say website

[3:38] websites more uh I would say website pages probably even apps right

[3:43] pages probably even apps right but in terms of maturity it stops there

[3:46] but in terms of maturity it stops there afterwards wipe coders do face lot of

[3:49] afterwards wipe coders do face lot of challenges in terms of know bugs coming

[3:52] challenges in terms of know bugs coming up the agent is not able to really uh

[3:55] up the agent is not able to really uh think through very complicated sequences

[3:57] think through very complicated sequences or let's say computational logic and uh

[4:00] or let's say computational logic and uh that's where we stand today. So uh more

[4:03] that's where we stand today. So uh more I would say uh if you ask me from a very

[4:06] I would say uh if you ask me from a very practical hands-on basis I would say

[4:08] practical hands-on basis I would say that uh you start using it and start

[4:12] that uh you start using it and start finding it out and uh you decide to what

[4:15] finding it out and uh you decide to what level you would want to use it right so

[4:18] level you would want to use it right so in fact that is why we at smarter

[4:20] in fact that is why we at smarter actually developed what is called as the

[4:21] actually developed what is called as the wipe coding framework so that it's easy

[4:24] wipe coding framework so that it's easy for people to actually let me see if I

[4:26] for people to actually let me see if I can just show you that right just give

[4:28] can just show you that right just give me a second if I could just uh come up

[4:30] me a second if I could just uh come up with Sure. Just give me a second as I

[4:35] with Sure. Just give me a second as I bring up my uh

[4:54] so this has been practically on our experience right uh what are the

[4:56] experience right uh what are the challenges we faced what are the sort of

[4:58] challenges we faced what are the sort of tools that we have used what's the sort

[5:00] tools that we have used what's the sort of uh bugs we have you know faced over a

[5:03] of uh bugs we have you know faced over a period of time. So it's all based on

[5:05] period of time. So it's all based on only those I actually decided to

[5:08] only those I actually decided to actually create it as a framework right

[5:10] actually create it as a framework right now. Of course the framework itself will

[5:12] now. Of course the framework itself will undergo changes over a period of time

[5:13] undergo changes over a period of time over the next few months and few years.

[5:15] over the next few months and few years. However, this will give people a very

[5:17] However, this will give people a very good sort of foundation to get started

[5:20] good sort of foundation to get started off with this whole u wipe coding uh you

[5:24] off with this whole u wipe coding uh you know uh framework. Right? So if I could

[5:27] know uh framework. Right? So if I could just um

[5:29] just um show you that I'm just trying to share

[5:31] show you that I'm just trying to share my screen. Just bear with me. I just

[5:34] my screen. Just bear with me. I just opened a lot of tabs for my wipe coding.

[5:37] opened a lot of tabs for my wipe coding. So it obviously takes its own sweet time

[5:40] So it obviously takes its own sweet time before it, you know, sort of comes up,

[5:42] before it, you know, sort of comes up, right? Okay. I think I got it.

[5:51] Okay. I hope you're able to see my screen.

[5:55] I hope you're able to see my screen. Yes. Okay. So obviously when you look at

[6:00] Yes. Okay. So obviously when you look at what is uh pipe coding we call it as the

[6:04] what is uh pipe coding we call it as the prime pipe coding framework right and um

[6:16] we are just trying to slowly scroll through and understand

[6:18] slowly scroll through and understand what is a w coding framework. So this is

[6:22] what is a w coding framework. So this is essentially to empower

[6:24] essentially to empower uh busy executives, right? How do you

[6:27] uh busy executives, right? How do you create web and mobile apps or tools

[6:29] create web and mobile apps or tools without writing a single line of code?

[6:31] without writing a single line of code? What does prime really help you to do?

[6:33] What does prime really help you to do? You can visualize your idea. You should

[6:36] You can visualize your idea. You should define a consistent look and feel. You

[6:39] define a consistent look and feel. You should assemble a feature one at a time.

[6:42] should assemble a feature one at a time. You should be able to go live on your

[6:44] You should be able to go live on your own domain. And then of course

[6:46] own domain. And then of course maintenance and improvement over a

[6:47] maintenance and improvement over a period of time. And uh let's say you

[6:50] period of time. And uh let's say you want to buy some software so that your

[6:53] want to buy some software so that your business operations become more

[6:55] business operations become more efficient and you want to become more

[6:57] efficient and you want to become more effective or your employees or team

[7:00] effective or your employees or team members want to be more efficient in the

[7:04] members want to be more efficient in the way they work with your business

[7:05] way they work with your business processes. So you naturally tend towards

[7:08] processes. So you naturally tend towards saying that hey can I buy a CRM or how

[7:10] saying that hey can I buy a CRM or how do I schedule appointments for my sales

[7:12] do I schedule appointments for my sales team or how do I send a questionnaire?

[7:15] team or how do I send a questionnaire? Prime actually gives you a playbook. Now

[7:18] Prime actually gives you a playbook. Now this sort of a playbook is not generally

[7:20] this sort of a playbook is not generally available obviously because it's the

[7:22] available obviously because it's the whole wipe coding framework is quite new

[7:24] whole wipe coding framework is quite new in the market. However, our objective

[7:27] in the market. However, our objective itself is to say that we need to build

[7:31] itself is to say that we need to build this as a framework so that you can be

[7:34] this as a framework so that you can be very confident because you're deploying

[7:35] very confident because you're deploying it in your business. Right? So we're not

[7:37] it in your business. Right? So we're not trying to do some research. We're not

[7:38] trying to do some research. We're not just trying to do some school project

[7:40] just trying to do some school project here. This is meant for serious business

[7:43] here. This is meant for serious business folks. So first is the principles. How

[7:46] folks. So first is the principles. How do you really want your app to look and

[7:49] do you really want your app to look and feel, right? Obviously, you want to be

[7:52] feel, right? Obviously, you want to be more professional and at the same time

[7:54] more professional and at the same time you want your product to be more

[7:56] you want your product to be more consistent, right? I mean, you don't

[7:58] consistent, right? I mean, you don't want some page to be in some blue in

[8:00] want some page to be in some blue in color, other page to be in green in

[8:01] color, other page to be in green in color and your fonts and your things I

[8:04] color and your fonts and your things I mean people will feel out of place. Next

[8:06] mean people will feel out of place. Next comes the concept of reusability. What

[8:08] comes the concept of reusability. What is the building blocks that you really

[8:11] is the building blocks that you really use again and again so that you'll

[8:14] use again and again so that you'll actually save a lot of time and effort

[8:16] actually save a lot of time and effort and also in terms of what the sort of

[8:18] and also in terms of what the sort of interactions

[8:20] interactions saying that hey when there is a certain

[8:23] saying that hey when there is a certain activity what should the app really do

[8:26] activity what should the app really do right so for example can I allow

[8:27] right so for example can I allow somebody to input some data and when

[8:30] somebody to input some data and when they input a data do you want some

[8:32] they input a data do you want some analysis to be done or do you want a pie

[8:34] analysis to be done or do you want a pie chart to be shown or do you want some

[8:36] chart to be shown or do you want some temporary window to come in Right? I

[8:38] temporary window to come in Right? I mean I'm sure you have seen in modern

[8:39] mean I'm sure you have seen in modern websites a lot of actions happening on

[8:41] websites a lot of actions happening on the screen. Next is also in terms of

[8:44] the screen. Next is also in terms of what's a sort of milestones. Now we

[8:48] what's a sort of milestones. Now we should all understand that given the

[8:50] should all understand that given the stage where artificial intelligence is

[8:52] stage where artificial intelligence is you can't just give one small prompt and

[8:53] you can't just give one small prompt and expect which unfortunately is where

[8:56] expect which unfortunately is where people sort of are very critical about

[8:58] people sort of are very critical about AI right it might happen this year maybe

[9:00] AI right it might happen this year maybe next year I do not know but the more

[9:04] next year I do not know but the more serious folks are more going to look at

[9:06] serious folks are more going to look at saying that how do they adapt themselves

[9:08] saying that how do they adapt themselves to how AI can think process and of

[9:10] to how AI can think process and of course execute on all of this. So we

[9:13] course execute on all of this. So we have the concept of milestones saying

[9:15] have the concept of milestones saying that how do I really build one feature

[9:18] that how do I really build one feature at a time and it's meaningful to my

[9:19] at a time and it's meaningful to my business right so if I take the example

[9:23] business right so if I take the example of uh CRM you first want to obviously

[9:26] of uh CRM you first want to obviously start with contact management you don't

[9:28] start with contact management you don't immediately jump into let's say I want

[9:30] immediately jump into let's say I want to go into pipeline stages right so you

[9:33] to go into pipeline stages right so you have to be very clear about your

[9:34] have to be very clear about your business processes and what makes sense

[9:36] business processes and what makes sense to you in terms of priority and then of

[9:38] to you in terms of priority and then of course what is the evolution how Do we

[9:42] course what is the evolution how Do we really maintain it over a period of

[9:43] really maintain it over a period of time? This is also important from the

[9:45] time? This is also important from the perspective that let's say you face some

[9:48] perspective that let's say you face some challenges. You have really done some

[9:50] challenges. You have really done some effort for 2 three days and uh you're

[9:52] effort for 2 three days and uh you're not happy with it. You can't just delete

[9:55] not happy with it. You can't just delete it like you do a Microsoft Word document

[9:57] it like you do a Microsoft Word document or a PowerPoint presentation. What you

[9:59] or a PowerPoint presentation. What you precisely have to do is you have to

[10:01] precisely have to do is you have to revert it. And to revert it, you need to

[10:03] revert it. And to revert it, you need to know what you have done when. While many

[10:06] know what you have done when. While many of the white coding tools allow for

[10:08] of the white coding tools allow for this, but it's better that you maintain

[10:10] this, but it's better that you maintain your own evolution over a period of

[10:11] your own evolution over a period of time. So in a sense, if you look at it,

[10:14] time. So in a sense, if you look at it, the objective for us is the framework

[10:17] the objective for us is the framework allows you to capture your idea, define

[10:20] allows you to capture your idea, define your look and feel first, then do

[10:24] your look and feel first, then do repeatable loops for different features.

[10:27] repeatable loops for different features. Once you are comfortable with this, then

[10:29] Once you are comfortable with this, then you look at more sophisticated ones in

[10:31] you look at more sophisticated ones in terms of how do I set up user

[10:33] terms of how do I set up user authentication? How do I release it to

[10:35] authentication? How do I release it to the public? How do I do hosting of this

[10:37] the public? How do I do hosting of this website or app? What sort of domain

[10:40] website or app? What sort of domain should I buy? And then of course, how do

[10:42] should I buy? And then of course, how do I actually track, learn and evolve over

[10:44] I actually track, learn and evolve over a period of time? Right? So I use for

[10:47] a period of time? Right? So I use for example notion for a lot of this

[10:51] example notion for a lot of this tracking this diaries and iterate.

[10:54] tracking this diaries and iterate. Probably others could come up with their

[10:56] Probably others could come up with their own maybe even a physical diary. Right?

[10:59] own maybe even a physical diary. Right? So essentially why this is a very nice

[11:02] So essentially why this is a very nice uh framework is because uh while AI is

[11:06] uh framework is because uh while AI is quite hyped up at this point of time but

[11:08] quite hyped up at this point of time but at the same time you should understand

[11:09] at the same time you should understand small business owners don't have time

[11:11] small business owners don't have time right I mean I'm sure you understand

[11:13] right I mean I'm sure you understand that as a small business owner right yes

[11:15] that as a small business owner right yes you don't have all the technical

[11:17] you don't have all the technical expertise with you you have very very

[11:19] expertise with you you have very very limited budgets on a daily basis right

[11:21] limited budgets on a daily basis right and the biggest fear is I don't want to

[11:23] and the biggest fear is I don't want to be like subjected to a big monolith

[11:26] be like subjected to a big monolith software which determines how I And it

[11:28] software which determines how I And it should be the reverse right the software

[11:30] should be the reverse right the software should assist my business rather than um

[11:33] should assist my business rather than um the software trying to dictate and

[11:35] the software trying to dictate and everyday morning I am forced to do

[11:37] everyday morning I am forced to do certain work as per the software right

[11:40] certain work as per the software right so we set out with clearly how do I help

[11:45] so we set out with clearly how do I help such a small business owner we said we

[11:47] such a small business owner we said we should the steps also should be in plain

[11:49] should the steps also should be in plain English right so I didn't set out to set

[11:52] English right so I didn't set out to set up a technical manual right of course it

[11:54] up a technical manual right of course it can be used by developers as well but

[11:56] can be used by developers as well but fundamentally we want to give the

[11:58] fundamentally we want to give the confidence to people who want to try out

[12:00] confidence to people who want to try out things themselves. I mean while I say

[12:01] things themselves. I mean while I say business owners I'm also talking about

[12:03] business owners I'm also talking about you could be a vice president of

[12:04] you could be a vice president of marketing and you want to help your team

[12:07] marketing and you want to help your team build up certain stuff and this is

[12:08] build up certain stuff and this is exactly how you can you know use the

[12:11] exactly how you can you know use the prime uh wipe coding framework just

[12:13] prime uh wipe coding framework just plain English and at the same time

[12:15] plain English and at the same time modular progress so you don't do

[12:17] modular progress so you don't do something very risky and you don't get

[12:20] something very risky and you don't get lost in the complexity and the what you

[12:24] lost in the complexity and the what you can call u uh developers always famously

[12:29] can call u uh developers always famously call this as you You are just running

[12:32] call this as you You are just running through what is called as the rabbit

[12:34] through what is called as the rabbit hole.

[12:37] hole. As you can see the words disappearing

[12:38] As you can see the words disappearing out over here for a period of time you

[12:40] out over here for a period of time you will forget what you have actually been

[12:41] will forget what you have actually been coding and you know sort of

[12:45] coding and you know sort of uh you know you get into all sorts of

[12:47] uh you know you get into all sorts of complexity and confusion. Very true.

[12:49] complexity and confusion. Very true. Yeah. And also in terms of what's sort

[12:51] Yeah. And also in terms of what's sort of safety nets that you need to have so

[12:55] of safety nets that you need to have so that you don't sort of lose the

[12:57] that you don't sort of lose the advantage of being ahead in your

[12:59] advantage of being ahead in your specific industry or ecosystem or even

[13:02] specific industry or ecosystem or even the country where you're working in. At

[13:04] the country where you're working in. At the same time it's safe that you don't

[13:05] the same time it's safe that you don't sort of u uh lose or lose the work or

[13:10] sort of u uh lose or lose the work or you don't lose the effort you put over a

[13:13] you don't lose the effort you put over a period of time. Right? So we should

[13:16] period of time. Right? So we should appreciate those who actually want to

[13:17] appreciate those who actually want to dip their toes into artificial

[13:19] dip their toes into artificial intelligence. It shows that they want to

[13:21] intelligence. It shows that they want to be successful in the business and have a

[13:22] be successful in the business and have a competitive advantage. But at the same

[13:24] competitive advantage. But at the same time as I said the technology is quite

[13:26] time as I said the technology is quite new. So you got to be very sort of smart

[13:29] new. So you got to be very sort of smart in terms of how you actually use this.

[13:31] in terms of how you actually use this. So we have a very you know sort of

[13:33] So we have a very you know sort of detailed uh sort of playbook on our

[13:36] detailed uh sort of playbook on our website for smart in the blog section

[13:38] website for smart in the blog section where we actually uh figure out as to

[13:41] where we actually uh figure out as to how do you develop a simple CRM for a

[13:44] how do you develop a simple CRM for a real estate agency and it actually helps

[13:48] real estate agency and it actually helps you go step by step in terms of how this

[13:52] you go step by step in terms of how this whole framework can help you build up a

[13:56] whole framework can help you build up a CRM. Now it could be a real estate

[13:58] CRM. Now it could be a real estate agency, you could even be a reseller or

[14:00] agency, you could even be a reseller or as I said you could be a department in

[14:02] as I said you could be a department in in an MNC. But this will give you

[14:05] in an MNC. But this will give you confidently how you would want to uh

[14:08] confidently how you would want to uh develop your apps or a website or uh

[14:11] develop your apps or a website or uh anything as part of your digital

[14:12] anything as part of your digital transformation journey, right? And you

[14:16] transformation journey, right? And you could do this as pilots, proof of

[14:19] could do this as pilots, proof of concepts or even part of your center of

[14:22] concepts or even part of your center of excellence. And you could then uh you

[14:26] excellence. And you could then uh you know sort of uh use the prime wipe

[14:29] know sort of uh use the prime wipe coding framework to achieve you know all

[14:32] coding framework to achieve you know all of these right. So what we also have

[14:36] of these right. So what we also have given as an additional bonus for people

[14:37] given as an additional bonus for people is while there's a prime framework and

[14:41] is while there's a prime framework and we also have given the playbook itself

[14:43] we also have given the playbook itself once you combine both of these you get a

[14:45] once you combine both of these you get a notar and a practical path for doing all

[14:47] notar and a practical path for doing all of this right. So we also develop our

[14:51] of this right. So we also develop our own apps the smarter date.ai and all of

[14:54] own apps the smarter date.ai and all of them using uh the prime uh w coding

[14:58] them using uh the prime uh w coding framework right so if I actually take

[15:01] framework right so if I actually take you I take this thing to show

[15:06] you I take this thing to show okay I quickly switched over to our

[15:10] okay I quickly switched over to our content hub which talks about all the

[15:12] content hub which talks about all the tools and services that we really have

[15:16] tools and services that we really have for smart me. So we have about 300 plus

[15:18] for smart me. So we have about 300 plus tools AI tools which give confidently

[15:21] tools AI tools which give confidently business owner entrepreneur any business

[15:23] business owner entrepreneur any business professional can automate the routine

[15:24] professional can automate the routine task you can even create your own what

[15:26] task you can even create your own what you can call uh uh agents right so the

[15:30] you can call uh uh agents right so the some of the top ones are in terms of

[15:32] some of the top ones are in terms of presentation

[15:34] presentation create your own powerpoints or you can

[15:36] create your own powerpoints or you can create your own viral LinkedIn posts uh

[15:38] create your own viral LinkedIn posts uh you can actually get a free CRM and a

[15:40] you can actually get a free CRM and a lead generation mechanism out over here

[15:43] lead generation mechanism out over here right so there's a quite a bit of things

[15:44] right so there's a quite a bit of things as you can see none of this was

[15:46] as you can see none of this was handcoded. I mean what do you think?

[15:50] handcoded. I mean what do you think? Have you seen something like this like

[15:53] Have you seen something like this like just with plain simple English? In fact,

[15:55] just with plain simple English? In fact, I didn't even give the content. I've

[15:58] I didn't even give the content. I've just wiped coding using tools like bolt

[16:00] just wiped coding using tools like bolt versable

[16:03] versable and did lot of very interesting uh

[16:07] and did lot of very interesting uh research and I was very surprised to see

[16:09] research and I was very surprised to see how it was reflecting my own thought

[16:12] how it was reflecting my own thought process from a more strategic

[16:13] process from a more strategic perspective and the sort of user uh

[16:18] perspective and the sort of user uh interface the UI as we call it right to

[16:21] interface the UI as we call it right to be more consistent and build up these

[16:24] be more consistent and build up these sort of pages

[16:27] sort of pages And today I'm actually experimenting to

[16:29] And today I'm actually experimenting to say that hey can I for example create a

[16:32] say that hey can I for example create a complete programmatic SEO method through

[16:34] complete programmatic SEO method through which for example can I display 5,000

[16:36] which for example can I display 5,000 pages without physically creating them.

[16:38] pages without physically creating them. Wow that's amazing because this really

[16:40] Wow that's amazing because this really sounds like magic using pipe coding.

[16:43] sounds like magic using pipe coding. Yeah I mean that's that's a feeling

[16:45] Yeah I mean that's that's a feeling everybody gets the w moment saying that

[16:48] everybody gets the w moment saying that oh I mean is it really possible to do

[16:50] oh I mean is it really possible to do all of these things right? So if I for

[16:53] all of these things right? So if I for example if I you know sort of uh look at

[16:56] example if I you know sort of uh look at what are the what you can call menu

[16:59] what are the what you can call menu items which are here. I mean I didn't do

[17:02] items which are here. I mean I didn't do any coding out here. I sort of asked it

[17:05] any coding out here. I sort of asked it saying that hey can you actually be

[17:06] saying that hey can you actually be consistent with the design and probably

[17:08] consistent with the design and probably could you also you know uh create these

[17:11] could you also you know uh create these sort of various nice pages and this is

[17:14] sort of various nice pages and this is my objective. not a line of code was

[17:16] my objective. not a line of code was used and to my surprise I could see that

[17:20] used and to my surprise I could see that I myself I mean I I do have background

[17:22] I myself I mean I I do have background in computer science but I didn't do a

[17:23] in computer science but I didn't do a development because obviously I was

[17:25] development because obviously I was researching on how white coding works

[17:27] researching on how white coding works and you could actually see that not just

[17:30] and you could actually see that not just simple web pages but I could actually

[17:34] simple web pages but I could actually also develop like these sort of

[17:36] also develop like these sort of directories with filters mechanisms

[17:38] directories with filters mechanisms where things get picked up based on the

[17:40] where things get picked up based on the words that are used out over here right

[17:42] words that are used out over here right and you know I could just click on

[17:44] and you know I could just click on something and you would see that it

[17:46] something and you would see that it actually starts only showing those which

[17:50] actually starts only showing those which have clicked on. You see usually this

[17:52] have clicked on. You see usually this requires quite a decent amount of coding

[17:54] requires quite a decent amount of coding for you to achieve all of this.

[17:57] for you to achieve all of this. the as I said the computational logic

[18:00] the as I said the computational logic and I've been able to successfully do

[18:02] and I've been able to successfully do this for

[18:04] this for uh know across this and as you can see

[18:06] uh know across this and as you can see the look and feel is consistent

[18:09] the look and feel is consistent right so I think I've been talking for

[18:11] right so I think I've been talking for some time so yeah open to you for your

[18:13] some time so yeah open to you for your questions right so thank you so much for

[18:16] questions right so thank you so much for sharing the prime framework um I'm sure

[18:20] sharing the prime framework um I'm sure our listeners would find that to be a

[18:22] our listeners would find that to be a big advantage to follow that framework

[18:24] big advantage to follow that framework and help them through the coding process

[18:27] and help them through the coding process Uh but that just brings um I mean it's

[18:30] Uh but that just brings um I mean it's magical using W coding but one question

[18:32] magical using W coding but one question that's coming to my mind is for someone

[18:34] that's coming to my mind is for someone who's trying to um get into w coding do

[18:38] who's trying to um get into w coding do they really need to have a technical

[18:40] they really need to have a technical depth in coding to get started.

[18:45] depth in coding to get started. This is always an interesting question,

[18:46] This is always an interesting question, right? And I would rather sort of give a

[18:49] right? And I would rather sort of give a more philosophical large scale answer to

[18:51] more philosophical large scale answer to that. See any amount of technical depth

[18:54] that. See any amount of technical depth is quite welcome.

[18:57] is quite welcome. All that AI has done today and the

[18:59] All that AI has done today and the concept of wipe coding is it has reduced

[19:03] concept of wipe coding is it has reduced the requirement of I would say uh how

[19:08] the requirement of I would say uh how technical you need to be to achieve

[19:10] technical you need to be to achieve let's say simple tasks.

[19:12] let's say simple tasks. So if you want to just today create a

[19:14] So if you want to just today create a nicel looking website a page uh and I

[19:17] nicel looking website a page uh and I forgot to mention actually w coding is

[19:19] forgot to mention actually w coding is also extending into wbe marketing but

[19:21] also extending into wbe marketing but maybe we'll sort of tackle the topic in

[19:24] maybe we'll sort of tackle the topic in a separate podcast but sure if you

[19:26] a separate podcast but sure if you really look at wbe coding it u helps you

[19:29] really look at wbe coding it u helps you with all the technical tools and the sky

[19:31] with all the technical tools and the sky is the limit and I do find nontechnical

[19:35] is the limit and I do find nontechnical folks but who are good in that domain

[19:37] folks but who are good in that domain salespeople

[19:38] salespeople chemistry professors

[19:41] chemistry professors uh marketers they have enthusiastically

[19:44] uh marketers they have enthusiastically adopted and they've been able to come up

[19:45] adopted and they've been able to come up with some very good ideas

[19:49] with some very good ideas and uh some of them actually have also

[19:52] and uh some of them actually have also like sort of uh started earning revenue

[19:55] like sort of uh started earning revenue in the millions of dollars some of them

[19:56] in the millions of dollars some of them actually sold also uh I recently heard

[19:59] actually sold also uh I recently heard one of them actually sold it for some 8

[20:01] one of them actually sold it for some 8 million or so a white coded tool in less

[20:03] million or so a white coded tool in less than six months so obviously nobody's

[20:06] than six months so obviously nobody's going to pay you 8 million for something

[20:08] going to pay you 8 million for something which is uh not sophisticated and good

[20:11] which is uh not sophisticated and good right now. How much of a depth as I said

[20:15] right now. How much of a depth as I said every bit of technical uh expertise is

[20:19] every bit of technical uh expertise is very good with w coding because as the

[20:22] very good with w coding because as the generations are very apt to say right we

[20:24] generations are very apt to say right we can take it to the really next level

[20:27] can take it to the really next level but that doesn't stop you as I said to

[20:29] but that doesn't stop you as I said to achieve a lot of things I would rather

[20:31] achieve a lot of things I would rather say start experimenting

[20:34] say start experimenting because the AI and the LLMs and whatever

[20:36] because the AI and the LLMs and whatever agents and technology behind all of this

[20:38] agents and technology behind all of this is daily improving

[20:41] is daily improving right So it's like if you know it it's

[20:45] right So it's like if you know it it's better if you don't know it doesn't

[20:48] better if you don't know it doesn't really you know sort of stop you from uh

[20:51] really you know sort of stop you from uh achieving what you want right know the

[20:53] achieving what you want right know the limitations use the w coding framework I

[20:56] limitations use the w coding framework I think you are all good to go on w coding

[21:01] think you are all good to go on w coding thank you chandra I think that will be

[21:02] thank you chandra I think that will be really good input for all of those who

[21:05] really good input for all of those who are exploring and want to get into w

[21:07] are exploring and want to get into w coding and um good thing is uh as

[21:11] coding and um good thing is uh as chandra that you just start

[21:12] chandra that you just start experimenting uh just get started and uh

[21:16] experimenting uh just get started and uh especially those who are uh even those

[21:18] especially those who are uh even those who are non-technical uh if you want to

[21:21] who are non-technical uh if you want to develop using your subject matter

[21:22] develop using your subject matter expertise to come up with an app which

[21:25] expertise to come up with an app which may be useful for your domain um as

[21:28] may be useful for your domain um as Chandu said just get started and

[21:29] Chandu said just get started and experiment. So thank you so much Andrew

[21:32] experiment. So thank you so much Andrew for sharing all your views um and your

[21:35] for sharing all your views um and your experience in the process of white

[21:37] experience in the process of white coding and uh we hope to get some more

[21:40] coding and uh we hope to get some more information and inputs from you as we go

[21:42] information and inputs from you as we go along in our series. Thank you so much

[21:44] along in our series. Thank you so much for your time. Sure. Just before we sort

[21:47] for your time. Sure. Just before we sort of leave this spot, I'll just uh

[21:50] of leave this spot, I'll just uh maybe if I have the screen, I will just

[21:53] maybe if I have the screen, I will just quickly show because at the end of the

[21:55] quickly show because at the end of the day, nothing like showing people on the

[21:58] day, nothing like showing people on the screen as to what um so I'll just

[22:01] screen as to what um so I'll just probably take only one uh sample. Sure.

[22:04] probably take only one uh sample. Sure. And uh those who want to get started

[22:06] And uh those who want to get started off, right?

[22:07] off, right? So on the screen you would see

[22:12] So on the screen you would see um a tool called Lavable. Lable is today

[22:16] um a tool called Lavable. Lable is today one of the topmost tools for white

[22:19] one of the topmost tools for white coding. And as you are seeing the text

[22:22] coding. And as you are seeing the text which is running out over here. You can

[22:26] which is running out over here. You can just ask Lable to create a internal

[22:28] just ask Lable to create a internal tool, a dashboard, a website. You can

[22:31] tool, a dashboard, a website. You can actually create lot of very stunning

[22:33] actually create lot of very stunning websites and tools using Lable. Right.

[22:36] websites and tools using Lable. Right. up and the good thing is they give you

[22:39] up and the good thing is they give you some free credits so you can without

[22:41] some free credits so you can without paying money you can get started off

[22:43] paying money you can get started off probably do lot of uh sites as I'm just

[22:46] probably do lot of uh sites as I'm just slowly scrolling and I'm trying to show

[22:48] slowly scrolling and I'm trying to show it to you the sky is the limit you're

[22:52] it to you the sky is the limit you're only going to be limited by your

[22:54] only going to be limited by your imagination and you are seeing

[22:57] imagination and you are seeing everything from crypto trading sites

[23:00] everything from crypto trading sites being created to probably

[23:04] being created to probably more in terms of travel and tourism and

[23:07] more in terms of travel and tourism and also in terms of personal productivity

[23:11] also in terms of personal productivity software, right? And as you can see the

[23:14] software, right? And as you can see the designs, the sort of thought processes

[23:18] designs, the sort of thought processes are quite in line with what you would

[23:21] are quite in line with what you would want to you know sort of uh do where it

[23:26] want to you know sort of uh do where it makes sense for you. Right? So the range

[23:31] makes sense for you. Right? So the range which actually people have exhibited is

[23:35] which actually people have exhibited is unbelievable right so it could be as

[23:37] unbelievable right so it could be as complicated as saying that hey can I

[23:38] complicated as saying that hey can I actually play chess maybe it's a chess

[23:40] actually play chess maybe it's a chess engine or it could be as simple as and

[23:43] engine or it could be as simple as and probably something we do on a daily

[23:44] probably something we do on a daily basis how do I sort of work with PDFs

[23:48] basis how do I sort of work with PDFs right so I would strongly encourage

[23:51] right so I would strongly encourage people to you know look at tools and

[23:54] people to you know look at tools and probably start with lovable because I

[23:56] probably start with lovable because I have personally found out lovable able

[23:58] have personally found out lovable able the user interface uh in terms of the

[24:01] the user interface uh in terms of the final output right it's very colorful

[24:04] final output right it's very colorful and uh very modern uh there are certain

[24:07] and uh very modern uh there are certain things around prompt and prompt

[24:08] things around prompt and prompt engineering which again we will talk in

[24:10] engineering which again we will talk in a separate podcast how to actually use

[24:12] a separate podcast how to actually use this in white coding but this is a good

[24:14] this in white coding but this is a good space because it'll give you the

[24:15] space because it'll give you the confidence to get started on w coding

[24:17] confidence to get started on w coding then of course you can try lot of other

[24:19] then of course you can try lot of other tools which are out over there but it's

[24:21] tools which are out over there but it's just plain English nice looking outputs

[24:24] just plain English nice looking outputs get you the confidence use the w coding

[24:26] get you the confidence use the w coding framework and you're all

[24:28] framework and you're all Okay, thank you so much. Thanks Chandra.

[24:31] Okay, thank you so much. Thanks Chandra. One last word. So thank you so much for

[24:32] One last word. So thank you so much for sharing uh the tool as well and for all

[24:34] sharing uh the tool as well and for all our listeners out there um you want to

[24:37] our listeners out there um you want to venture out in bite coding and get

[24:38] venture out in bite coding and get started with this tool to begin with. So

[24:41] started with this tool to begin with. So thank you so much once again for your

[24:42] thank you so much once again for your time and hopefully we'll catch up soon

[24:44] time and hopefully we'll catch up soon on our next podcast. We'll do that.

[24:46] on our next podcast. We'll do that. Thank you so much Hamsa. Thanks for the

[24:47] Thank you so much Hamsa. Thanks for the time. Goodbye. Abide.